ENEB Master Thread

[eLearner]

The quote threadings are a real mess, mine included. I wonder if there is a way to avoid having quotes come out in a long string like that? A way where just the person you want to reply to is quoted? I've tried to delete parts of these long multi-quotes, but it always manages to erase the entire quote string when I hit submit.

@cacoleman1983 you have a great point. The whole accreditation-by-association thing is not a U.S. concept at all, so while I may not agree with some of the decisions I can understand the thinking at least in WES' case with the unaccredited position on the school. The closest American example I can think of off-hand to what ENEB is doing is Coursera and its deals with various degree-granting schools, but even then they don't claim accreditation-by-association, different from the way it's accepted for foreign schools to do.

I am curious about how SpanTran might evaluate these degree programs.

Seems like I read the answer to this before, but I guess I don't remember anymore: Do you or anyone else know if UCN accepts ENEB degrees? If so, that would be an interesting way to work around the current U.S. evaluator' positions we've read regarding the ENEB programs.

I think someone on the sister forum mentioned Azteca accepting ENEB for transfer credits to their DBA or DEd (obviously fewer credits for DEd) which is then issued by UCN & Azteca. Not sure about UCN itself.

SpanTran probably won't accept it because it's not a Titulo Oficial program
https://www.taicep.org/taiceporgwp/wp-co...tinues.pdf

That doc is a good find.

I was playing around with the UCN auto-evaluation tool, and it looks like they accept degrees into their Doctoral programs as long as one or more adds up to at least 240 ECTS. So that covered the 4-year U.S. standard Bachelors, and the combo of a 4-year U.S. standard Bachelors and 60 ECTS 1-year Masters which of course the ENEB programs are. However, it's an auto-evaluation, so there could be some catches involved once a human looks and closes the loop.

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@Dumber

Same thing.

Accredited vs non-accredited is NOT the same thing, that's like saying an Apple is an Orange OR a Nationally Accredited degree is the same as a Degree Mill... Sure, all schools start off non-accredited, but they all progress to an accredited status eventually or at least seek accreditation... Not every program at a school will be accredited either, there are so many accreditation factors for program vs school accreditation.

Non-Accredited just means they may be a valid institution that hasn't seek out accreditation as it's voluntary for the school to do so.  Because of this, there isn't really away to determine if the schools program meet specific quality requirements.  It is these requirements that allow the school to seek financial aid or grants, etc.  It all depends on how the school wants to be recognized.

Accredited institutions or programs indicate the school programs or the institution itself has gone through quality checks for integrity, student experience, financial aid, and meet ethicial standards.  For programs that require licensing such as engineering, nursing, it is required to be accredited and have specific programmatic accreditation.

You may want to check the post I was replying to again. There is a key piece you've missed.

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I don't think UCN will accept them but then again I'm not really sure.   I'm actually enrolled in Azteca University inter-university program for a PhD in Education which will result in an accredited degree from UCN.  The dean there said that the ENEB looks like a diploma mill but if they were to see a Universidad Isabel I degree, they will likely accept it.  I think it was me that mentioned transferring these credits to UCN.   They seem to partner with a lot of good unaccredited schools to issue accredited diplomas so there is always a possibility.  

On Azteca and UCN's websites for their inter-university programs, they seem to grant degrees based on validation credits and the cost of the degree itself will be same rather they accept the credits or not.  

http://www.universidadazteca.net/study_o...s_and_fees

If you can manage to get UCN to issue the degree through validation, SpanTran will likely accept it.  Of course you will be paying thousands for it though.  You can still later transfer to a DBA or PhD (for those with a surplus of ECTS hours) and complete the dissertation as there is no additional coursework after the MBA.

I took a look at the UCN auto-evaluation tool and it accepted into their Doctoral programs anything of at least 240 ECTS. According to the tool, a 4-year Bachelors is 240 ECTS and a 1-year Masters is 60 ECTS, for a total of 300 ECTS, but anything could change once a human sets eyes on it and adds other stipulations that the auto tool doesn't cover.